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SPIRIT OF THE SEA · Nov 25, 2006, 04:15 PM // 16:15

I've been doing HA for a few days giving up pve and its boring ways to go all pvp or more spcifaclly HA. I must of had 10,000 groups turn me down cause im not rank 3+ or 6+ or 9+ what ever it might be. But what i dont understand is why they have rq rank in groups! If u have a rank it means uve been playing in HA for a longer time then the unranked people. Dont get me wrong ive found groups to get my fame but still be way easier if people just accept the fact that they just got a head start. Or if u will they admit they have no life

so tell me this: Do you think its fair for people to req ranks in HA?

well actually their is fact that people can just not have fame cause suck but excuding that only talk about people who good and dont have rank!

Mai · Nov 25, 2006, 04:22 PM // 16:22

It's been discussed to death before in various topics but the general idea is that having rank means your experienced in HA. But to get experience you need experience so where does that leave the new player just starting out? In limbo like many many others. There's nothing that can be done about it other than advise new players to start their own groups.

Legendary Shiz · Nov 25, 2006, 04:23 PM // 16:23

It's funny, you admit to just starting to get into PvP yet you want to get into ranked groups. You have to take baby steps man. You don't know a thing about PvP at the moment. If somebody told you to roll up an SS curse spammer you'd bring your SS/SV/BR whatever nec that you use for underworld.

You AREN'T good yet, and that's why you won't get into those groups.

Yes I think rank reqs are fair. Most of those groups will have people that don't meet the reqs because they know they are good. You obviously aren't going to be good, or even remotley decent if you just started doing HA a couple days ago. You'll get your rank someday, and realize it doesn't mean a dang thing and most of those r_+ groups aren't making it past scared.

Relambrien · Nov 25, 2006, 04:33 PM // 16:33

The general argument against rank is that it doesnt' denote skill, but the amount of time spent in HA. But, the more time you spend in HA, the more experience you'll get, and the better you'll get. Practice makes perfect.

Someone who got a "head start," as you call it, would be better than a person who just started because he's had more time to practice. So yes, rank reqs are fair, imo. Someone who just started PvP isn't going to have nearly the experience, knowledge, and skill of someone who's been doing it for a longer time.

And of course, Xen Of Onslaught has training guilds for HA and GvG, so you could always look to them if you want some guild experience in PvP.

Mai · Nov 25, 2006, 04:33 PM // 16:33

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Originally Posted by Legendary Shiz

It's funny, you admit to just starting to get into PvP yet you want to get into ranked groups. You have to take baby steps man. You don't know a thing about PvP at the moment. If somebody told you to roll up an SS curse spammer you'd bring your SS/SV/BR whatever nec that you use for underworld.

You AREN'T good yet, and that's why you won't get into those groups.

Yes I think rank reqs are fair. Most of those groups will have people that don't meet the reqs because they know they are good. You obviously aren't going to be good, or even remotley decent if you just started doing HA a couple days ago. You'll get your rank someday, and realize it doesn't mean a dang thing and most of those r_+ groups aren't making it past scared.

That's very contradicting. In the beginning you say that rank reqs are fair but then you say that and i quote

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Most of those groups will have people that don't meet the reqs because they know they are good.

So how do you know some other random isn't a good pvper that just hasn't done HA? Most people I know just do GvG and not HA at all. Do I believe rank means anything? In my opinion, No. HA is a different environment than GvG and GvG is a different environment than HA in my opinion. Some guilds exceed in HA and some exceed in GvG. It's like comparing apples and oranges in the PvP world.

You even said it yourself, "You'll get your rank someday, and realize it doesn't mean a dang thing "

Do I believe that rank reqs are right? In simple terms, No. But that is de facto in what is happening and I'm not going to deny it, nor is there anything that any of us can really do to change it since it's in the general consensus that the more rank you have the better PvP player you are.

My 2 cents

Relambrien · Nov 25, 2006, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by Mai

That's very contradicting. In the beginning you say that rank reqs are fair but then you say that and i quote

So how do you know some other random isn't a good pvper that just hasn't done HA? Most people I know just do GvG and not HA at all. Do I believe rank means anything? In my opinion, No. HA is a different environment than GvG and GvG is a different environment than HA in my opinion. Some guilds exceed in HA and some exceed in GvG. It's like comparing apples and oranges in the PvP world.

You even said it yourself, "You'll get your rank someday, and realize it doesn't mean a dang thing "

Do I believe that rank reqs are right? In simple terms, No. But that is de facto in what is happening and I'm not going to deny it, nor is there anything that any of us can really do to change it since it's in the general consensus that the more rank you have the better PvP player you are.

My 2 cents

Something I noticed, is that you imply that someone who is good at GvG will be good at HA, then you go on to say that HA and GvG are totally different environments. At least, that's what it looks like to me.

Being good at baseball doesn't mean you'll be good at basketball.

Though I agree with the fact that HA rank means little pertaining to GvG, since they ARE different environments.

Mai · Nov 25, 2006, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by Relambrien

Something I noticed, is that you imply that someone who is good at GvG will be good at HA, then you go on to say that HA and GvG are totally different environments. At least, that's what it looks like to me.

Being good at baseball doesn't mean you'll be good at basketball.

Though I agree with the fact that HA rank means little pertaining to GvG, since they ARE different environments.

What I meant to say was that they aren't totally clueless cause they have no rank in HA (no rank) but that they might have experience in GvG instead. So that individual does have experience in PvP in general, but isn't included into groups cause lack of rank.

HA and GvG still has the basics and if an individual does one or the other he/she does have experience in the PvP field in general. But many groups do not know that from a random player because they are only looking for a R+ person, stereotyping that the individual with rank will out perform the person without it.

Chicken Ftw · Nov 25, 2006, 04:44 PM // 16:44

To me, all rank means is how well you know the maps. I know some IWAY'd r9s who can't run any build but IWAY, and who generally suck at playing warrior, which is sad. On the other hand, I know some r4s who can run every build in the book efficiently, but don't have much free time to go tombing, thus the lower rank. (Still call it Tombs, calling it HA just seems... weird to me). Rank's been cheapened by gimmicks since the beginning anyway, so meh.

Basically, does rank mean anything? Not really. But good luck getting a group without it. Start your own, with skilled guildies/friends.

Skuld · Nov 25, 2006, 04:44 PM // 16:44

Hey, if you're good then you'll surely get your r3 very fast, right? Get out there and earn it like everyone else instead of complaining you can't get in a r3 group. You can reason and discuss it to death, but at the end of the day, this is the riverside inn, not ID1

Relambrien · Nov 25, 2006, 04:45 PM // 16:45

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Originally Posted by Mai

What I meant to say was that they aren't totally clueless cause they have no rank in HA (no rank) but that they might have experience in GvG instead. So that individual does have experience in PvP in general, but isn't included into groups cause lack of rank.

HA and GvG still has the basics and if an individual does one or the other he/she does have experience in the PvP field in general. But many groups do not know that from a random player because they are only looking for a R+ person, stereotyping that the individual with rank will out perform the person without it.

Ah, point taken. Yes, I agree that having experience in GvG does help in HA, due to the same basic fundamentals. But then again, if you're experienced in GvG, wouldn't you prefer to just HA with your guild instead of PuGs anyway?

That's the only HA I ever do; at least three others from my alliance. Heck of a lot better than PuGs.

Khaunshar · Nov 25, 2006, 04:47 PM // 16:47

Actually, there have been many events in the past that totally diminished or diluted the meaning of Rank, namely double-fame events, player number changes and heroes.

However, as in every game, people dont change, or do so very slowly. Today its far easier to get fame than it used to be, however during the double-fame event, some people got 400+ rank on a single weekend due to the insane number of totally inexperienced groups around, giving a capable team easy pickings for far longer streaks.

So all in all, Rank means less today than it used to.

crimsonfilms · Nov 25, 2006, 04:49 PM // 16:49

If you think rank does not mean anything, stop making pointless threads about it.
If you don't like rank, start a group with people who think like you.

It seems people who dont care about rank complains about it the most.

Makkert · Nov 25, 2006, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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Originally Posted by SPIRIT OF THE SEA

I've been doing HA for a few days giving up pve and its boring ways to go all pvp or more spcifaclly HA. I must of had 10,000 groups turn me down cause im not rank 3+ or 6+ or 9+ what ever it might be. But what i dont understand is why they have rq rank in groups! If u have a rank it means uve been playing in HA for a longer time then the unranked people. Dont get me wrong ive found groups to get my fame but still be way easier if people just accept the fact that they just got a head start. Or if u will they admit they have no life

so tell me this: Do you think its fair for people to req ranks in HA?

well actually their is fact that people can just not have fame cause suck but excuding that only talk about people who good and dont have rank!

People with high rank can be stunningly horrible at this game. I've seen r8 players who absolutely know crap about how to play this game.

So why does the rank phenonemon exist?
Well, the answer is 'there is no better measurement stick'.
Rank equals time played, not skill.

But if you have 2 players you both don't know, who you gonna take? the one that aparantly has not played much HA (low rank) or aparantly has played much HA? (high rank)

Trust me, that if a high rank player is crap, people will notice and he'll be kicked from the group soon. But the problem is for the low ranked people who ARE good.

Skuld suggests that if you are good, you should have no problem getting to r3. I disagree with him (one of the few times I do, he's a good man

).
If your party consists of crappy players, no matter how good you are, you'll have a hard time.

So its a problem, no doubt. The best thing an ambitious player such as yourself can do, is make friends. Play with your guildies, or win the trust of good players.

Personally I give very little about rank.

~ peace, Makk.

Shadowspawn X · Nov 25, 2006, 05:46 PM // 17:46

Its not about what rank means, its about what no rank means, which is one of two things:

1) You dont HA
2) You HA and lose alot

neither being very desirable when you trying to make a group to hold halls.

tomcruisejr · Nov 25, 2006, 05:53 PM // 17:53

rank is overrated. im rank 10 and all i know is to piss off people and play pve.

Fluffyx · Nov 25, 2006, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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Originally Posted by Legendary Shiz

It's funny, you admit to just starting to get into PvP yet you want to get into ranked groups. You have to take baby steps man. You don't know a thing about PvP at the moment. If somebody told you to roll up an SS curse spammer you'd bring your SS/SV/BR whatever nec that you use for underworld.

You AREN'T good yet, and that's why you won't get into those groups.

Yes I think rank reqs are fair. Most of those groups will have people that don't meet the reqs because they know they are good. You obviously aren't going to be good, or even remotley decent if you just started doing HA a couple days ago. You'll get your rank someday, and realize it doesn't mean a dang thing and most of those r_+ groups aren't making it past scared.

PvP really isn't that hard. If you're running a generic build and you know how to play it which is pretty self explanitory he shouldn't have any problems. Anyone can win HA its that simple. You don't need to be r3+ having rank does not denote your skill. I have played with crap rank groups and crap unranked. So to answer your question yes the way people hold fame is unfair. But at least you have ways of getting it now. Heroes for example.

Alleji · Nov 25, 2006, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

To me, all rank means is how well you know the maps. I know some IWAY'd r9s who can't run any build but IWAY

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

rank is overrated. im rank 10 and all i know is to piss off people and play pve.

tomcruisejr · Nov 25, 2006, 06:07 PM // 18:07

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

To me, all rank means is how well you know the maps. I know some IWAY'd r9s who can't run any build but IWAY

knowing the maps is not the same us running a build.

of course r9 IWAYers can theoretically only run IWAY. But since theyre rank 9+, they know well the maps they're playing in.

JR · Nov 25, 2006, 06:07 PM // 18:07